They did not seek God in this matter. "No, we don't do things like that in Israel. No one killed king David. He died of old age, at the age of three score and ten (70 years). His son Solomon succeeded him. You might be thinking of The Jewish Encyclopedia asserts that one group of rabbis felt that Saul's punishment at God's hands is a sign of his weak moral character whose only virtue was being tall and handsome. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. He gets kicked down the societal ladder for his sin, and it takes three or four generations for the family to recover. And when Saul saw any strong man or any valiant man, he took him for himself. He made huge errors in judgment, both personally and in a larger sense. It is the time of the beginning of the barley harvest. See? He did this "in his zeal for. How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? (Mark 6:20). Saul, after having disqualified himself from being king, sought to ingratiate himself with God by killing Canaanites, including an unrecorded massacre of Gibeonites. However there is nothing in the text that indicates he did this. Perhaps those first two, Armoni, and Mephibosheth were old enough to have participated in the event. Throughout the Scriptures warnings of spiritual dangers are signaled by the flash cards of attention getting words like: "Take heed" or "Consider". Notice that I Kings begins not many chapters after this. King David was compelled to hand over his own people to the power of Israel's ongoing enemies. Why wasn't I told about this?" David did not make any counter demands. After that, God heeded the prayer of the land. They were appeasing their own god to send rain. When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." He just let the natural cycles take their course. There is a very important difference. Finally, after six or seven months, the rains came in their natural cycle. Then we have the explanations of which we just went over. Today, I want to visit one of King David's lesser-known black marks, and draw some lessons from it at the end. It said earlier that they wanted them to be hung before the Lord in Gibeah of Saul. The time had passed. He was the king. Instead, they told a story that either ignored the truth completely or, at least, shaded the truth in such a way that it was full of guile and deceit. This would be in the spring during or after the Days of Unleavened Bread. September 01 2013 It is not there in the Scriptures. Therefore, one of the first things that Joshua and the Israelites do is they allow a big problem to linger in their midst. Would it be a good alliance to have with these people from far away?". Before she married David, Abigail had been the wife of _____. The Bible implicitly hints at something which caused a feud which was settled only by the blood of Sauls descendants. He was tired of life, tired of war, tired of all the politics, tired of all the rebellion, tired of Joab. Now if the LORD your God enlarges your territory, as He swore to your fathers, and gives you the land which He promised to give to your fathers, and if you keep all these commandments and do them, which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and to walk always in His ways, then you shall add three more cities for yourself besides these three, lest innocent blood be shed in the midst of your land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, and thus guilt of bloodshed be upon you. Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. There is a great deal more than what meets the eye. They were probably innocent of this particular crime. That the famine continued indicates God displeasure with David's decision and inner motives. . He apparently killed One of the things He specifically mentions is famine, which happens to be the third sealphysical famine, but we remember from Amos that there is a spiritual famine as well. You had only black and white television if you had television. WebDavid serves Saul with music on his harp Nov 24, 1025. The Israelites had taken an oath concerning them, but in his zeal for Israel and Judah, Saul had sought to kill them.) Weba motive for Saul's attack on them. But they refused the offer. Another thing that God said to do was not done. WebWhich city did Saul destroy when he found that its priests had given David's men provision? Think about this for a moment. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. Why did he not seem to notice the first year and say to himself, "Hmm. "Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? WebMany centuries later (the period from the exodus of Israel to the reign of Saul is generally considered to be about 400 years), Saul came to the throne in Israel. They probably went from Gibeon by some circuitous route so they did not come directly from the west where they actually lived. He did not do a thing that a king or judge should do. Clarify The Bible barely alludes to the king's mad scheme, but we know that Saul's plot miserably failed. Then there are things of degeneracy. King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). This cultural trait makes it difficult for many people to identify with Jesus Christ. When He visits the iniquity upon successive generations, He is saying is that the results and curses that come automatically often go down a handful of generations. Whatever the case, it is very plain to me that he did not pay enough attention to this matter of the famine and drought, and the Gibeonites. We are not finished with that yet, because, who were the Gibeonites? We can't withstand them. The Israelites had promised not to If you read Psalm 51 it is very clear that he understood his own makeup. Evidently, he thought that he could win back his kingdom if he zealously did God's will. We cannot let them linger around. That is how we overcome the dearth of the truth and the dearth of righteousness in our day. The Gibeonites take the young men and essentially lynch them, leaving the bodies of Sauls sons and grandsons to rot, exposed and humiliated in the presence of God at a local shrine. The angel of the LORD encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them. Skeptic turned believer, Catholic, father of 3, ABC/DTS graduate, guitar music ministry Baptist church. Moreover, the Gibeonites who survived remembered, and they wanted blood when they were asked. So you shall not pollute the land where you are [this is very important]; for blood defiles the land, and no atonement can be made for the land, for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit. Saul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. Go back with me to Deuteronomy 7 and see the instruction that God gave to Israel about how to deal with these kinds of people. In their poverty and slavery the bowed but ever proud Gibeonites refused financial and other forms of compensation for the attempted genocide on their tribe. It is for Saul. 1 Then there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. God required atonement to be made. Yet, because of the long time that has passed since then until now, when the Gibeonites were asked to bring it up, how many of the guilty ones had died? It takes into consideration things like accidental death, and premeditation. The two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul ( v.8 ) 17 Then the children of Israel journeyed and came to their cities on the third day. Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. There was not a cloud in sight and you are the king. The latter believed that Saul's desire was to destroy them utterly. Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. One is God's judgment upon the actual person for the actual sin; the other is God's punishment that He has automatically put into the law that allows the effects to last for a few generations. In effect, what they wanted to do was hang the bodies of Saul's family in Saul's hometown in sight of Jerusalem. I think he was distracted by all the cares of his office of being king. The choice by Adam and Eve in the garden was a sin, and they paid for it through death. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. I will do it." Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. fit into Creation? It does not seem so. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." Share It seems as though he was spiritually sleepwalking through this whole thing. II Samuel 21:3-6 Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? This incident appears in time sequence toward the end of his life. In the economy of God's providence, however, such tiny events often matter much. We do not know when it happened. WebThe alliance with the Gibeonites lasted for centuries, until Saul - in his zeal (21, 2) - decided that the ancient covenant was no longer binding. ", "She's been doing that for six months? Can we assume that God was in any way propitiated at the conclusion of this story? Who was the father of Mephibosheth? EVIL'S ULTIMATE END. In verse 7 we see the only thing in the entire situation that was any good at all. So they fell, all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest. * 1 Samuel 18:12 KJV And Saul was afraid of David, because the LORD was with him, and was departed from Saul. * 1 Samuel 18:15 KJV Wherefore when S Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. Justice seems to have been served. It looks to me like he tried to work out a political solution rather than a righteous one. 0 responses You might say a whole cycle of generations. Now, turn to the episode of King David, which we introduced. Ezekiel 18 makes it clear that God punishes people for their own iniquity. Their deceit, Israel's lack of vigilance and Saul's deep delusion caused God's people centuries of grief and embarrassment. All it is, was, "We want blood, and anyone from the house of Saul will do.". 4. He had to plead to God for clearing and forgiveness, for cleaning up, because he knew it was not in himself to do that. Later, during a wasting famine, David, attempting a political rather than a righteous solution, yielded to the Gibeonites' request that descendants of Saul be hanged to avenge the slaughter. And the Lord said, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and We don't hear much of the Gibeonites again until the reign of King Saul. How much food did Jesus produce? I do not know if that was the case, but he had just gone through Absalom's rebellion, and Sheba's rebellion, and maybe he allowed that to cross his mind too. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. Ezekiel 18:19-20 indicates that guilt for sin is not transferable, but the consequences can often touch several generations. I know that is how I always read itas straight historyand I did not think about it very much. Nob. God took the initiative in this matter, by afflicting the nation of Israel with a famine because the house of Saul had put the Gibeonites to death. The Israelites had been dealing with the Gibeonites, who were Hivitesand as it says here, they were a part of the Amorite peoplesince the first days in the land under Joshua. 1. He is able to judge justly. You are getting later and later in David's life here. 21:1-11 ). All answers are REVIEWED and MODERATED. And King David rolled over and let this happen. Share 2 Samuel 21:2 At this, David summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. WebNow, when they heard that the Gibeonites had made a special treaty with the Israelites they got very angry. There are references to the Lord, but they are not references in a spiritual sense. The Gibeonites deceived Israel, but God's people had really deceived themselves. They wanted the God of Israel to take it in the eye. The Gibeonites were a very shrewd bunch of people. Good question. I do not know. It cut us off from God. It causes a problem in the way that the next generation is formed. God told Joshua to get rid of all these foreigners in the land. But, the big thing was that he did not consult God about what he should do about it. If we were reading this quickly, and not really thinking about it, and not understanding God's own character, we might think that this says that God allows the guilt of sin to pass down three or four generations. Jew or gentile? And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. They did what is recalled in verses 3 through 6 above. When the Gibeonites heard that the other nations were going to attack them, they sent a message to Joshua and the people, Help! Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the man who trusts in Him! Throughout the centuries, the original Gibeonites continued to exist as a people, although King Saul schemed to destroy them. The Gibeonites, howev Asked August 31 2013 WebSaul kills the gentile Gibeonites (2 Sam 21) & banishes mediums in preparation for Tabernacle being moved from Nob to Gibeon. The Lord told them they had made a commitment to these people and they had to stand by it. So David asked the Lord for help, and the Lord answered, Saul and his family are guilty of murder, because he had the Gibeonites killed. Web11 Then the king sent for the priest Ahimelek son of Ahitub and all the men of his family, who were the priests at Nob, and they all came to the king. He was humble and relied on God, and was granted many victories over Israels enemies. Things started to go downhill over time however, as Saul became presumptuous and arrogant; he ignored several direct commands of God, and the last straw came when he interfered in offering a sacrifice to God, in direct contravention of what hed been told to do. It is not pretty when we allow the people of the land to dictate to us. A brief, but important, reference to the Gibeonites can also be found in 2 Samuel 21:1-14. THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - It is his sin. The stories of such people like Abel, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, and on through the chapter give us hope that like them we can overcome and be assured of entering the Kingdom of God. David did all this, it seems, off the top of his head. The Gibeonites were not Israelites, but the remnant of the Amorites, which Saul pursued from within Israel. WebSaul slew the Gibeonites, not simply as the son of Kish, but as the king of Israel, and therefore involved all Israel with him in the violation of the national oath; and hence, until the evil should be put away by the execution of the immediate offender or his representatives, all Israel must suffer. The world's arsenal is growing daily in material strength and sophisticated intimidation. I also want you to see how warlike Saul was. God isn't very pleased that these bodies have been exposed for six months against His law.". Turn to Exodus 20 and see that right in the Ten Commandments it sounds like it could mean that sin does travel down the family tree. We are starting to get some of the atmosphere around this event now. He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. They had a more bloody and violent systemwhich often led to blood feuds that may not ever end until a whole family or generation was gone. They may not have been involved at all, depending on how early in Saul's reign this event took place. This poor man cried out, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. We have to understand that the people of the land represent the things we need to overcomeour human nature and our problems; the world and its pulls to its ways; and Satan and all the ways that he tries to manipulate us. And, that was that. Even though the avenger of blood could kill the person if he caught him before he arrived at the city of refugewhat this verse is saying, here, is that if the nation follows through, and enlarges the lands by obeying God, He will designate more cities of refuge so that they are closer. He says to watchbe aware, be awake, be vigilant; know what your spiritual state is. Our God has given us a law that says such and such, so this is what we are willing to do for you.". In addition, his own soldiers had to tell him, "David, you just don't have it anymore. He did not perform any miracle, or any other thing to show that He was happy with the way that things turned out. For a relatively small group the Gibeonites drove a hard bargain and soon it was a done deal. The Bible tells us that after Saul's death God sent a famine into the land mainly to get the attention of Saul's successor, King David. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comments: It was a heathen practice to gibbet men with a view of appeasing the anger of the gods in seasons of famine, and the Gibeonites, who were a remnant of the Amorites, though brought to the knowledge of the true God, were not, it seems, free from this superstition. So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." Report. BATTLE AGAINST ENVY AND JEALOUSY They did not inquire. And with what shall I make atonement, that you may bless the inheritance of the LORD? How long was the average lifespan at the time? If you read 2Samuel 21 carefully, it seems possible that Saul and his house may have been trying to get the Gibeonites territory. The rest of the Canaanites resented the defection of the Hivites which so greatly weakened the forces for defense, and, headed by Adoni-zedek of Jerusalem, they assembled to wreak vengeance on Gibeon. (Matthew 14:1921). 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